Thinking of 3D

Up to this point I have been mainly focussing on on 2D ideas through my experiments, I would quite like to start thinking more into 3D type works, be it physical or digital, and have been researching into Renaissance sculpture as a starting point for this. The topics of the body and the “self”, which were brought up through my MPR, are concepts that could fit in well with this.

The idea of beauty which was discussed in my last post would also be a strong concept to follow up for this, the comparison of Renaissance and Classical beauty to the 21st century of ideals is a potential idea to look into. Some examples of sculptures I’ve looked at:

MPR Initial thoughts

Just had a look through the MPR and wrote down a few points I picked up on the first reading.I’m sure this will develop over time and I will go back and re read it at some point but for the moment I have noted these:

  1. As the project aims to compare the Renaissance to the 21st century, it would be a good idea to bring the aesthetics of the works from that period of time into what I’m doing. The aesthetics of Renaissance art is also very recognisable to people and hopefully would establish a connection to the original references at first glance.

    “I like Digital Renaissance as the creative springboard. But I think the comparison with the original renaissance and the digital renaissance could (or should) be more evident in the final work”

    “no doubt that the visual language of the renaissance is something that most people will immediately connect with and understand” 

  2. The idea of the QR code seemed to be a good element in my experiments, its adds an extra dimension to otherwise static works and pushes the viewer to interact with it in order to experience the whole idea. I also like the idea of creating hidden meaning that the viewers have to find themselves.

    “I like your experiments with the QR codes where you removed half of the image and created a QR code from it. Not only because of the juxtaposition of real and digital (which is an interesting idea) but also because QR codes (although I like the graphic itself) never really make me curious to find out what is hidden behind…. unless like in your example one part of the image reveals the atmosphere and creates an incitation to go further”

    “yep the QR codes is a great idea – the visible meaning of the picture becomes the hidden meaning you need to dig for..”

    One problem which I can going to have to think about is how the incorporate them into works whilst keeping the Renaissance style

    “I liked the QR codes but had problems fitting them into the overall idea about digital renaissance – I just think the overall
    concept is so great that it should be more evident to the viewer”

    3. I quite like the idea of exploring the self and the body, something which ties into the ideas I was thinking about back at the start of the MA, I will need to think more into this before writing anything.

    “the Renaissance is such a huge subject – I wonder if a way of narrowing this is to look at ‘the self’ and maybe this is via portraits or the body as has been suggested already – the idea of the self – or the ‘privatised self’ is a strong result from the Renaissance and how is this challeneged now, or is it promoted even more?”

    “’privatised self’ may have a link to QR codes”

    Full conversation below

so we start with Justin – we will give 5 minutes to read or watch again the presentation – Justin please paste the link in here for the archive

[11/06/2012 13:56:03] Jonathan Kearney: and after 5 minutes I will tell you to start the discussion

[11/06/2012 13:56:29] justinlogue89: ok here is the link – https://justinlogue.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/mid-point-review/

[11/06/2012 13:57:37] justinlogue89: forgive my poor grammar, punctuation, spelling etc not too good at writing

[11/06/2012 14:02:44] Jonathan Kearney: ok so 5 minutes gone – we can then have a discussion for the next 15-20 miunutes

[11/06/2012 14:03:04] justinlogue89: so i dont speak at all here?

[11/06/2012 14:03:07] Katrine Granholm: Do we just start?

[11/06/2012 14:03:13] Jonathan Kearney: remember no adressing Justin directly – just talk about his work not talk to him

[11/06/2012 14:03:27] Jonathan Kearney: Justin – yes you are silent for the next 15 minutes 😉

[11/06/2012 14:03:34] Jonathan Kearney: Katrine – yes!

[11/06/2012 14:03:37] Katrine Granholm: I really love the title of his project. I think it is very well thought out and he make some very interesting points.

[11/06/2012 14:03:45] sneja_d: I like the idea of comparing Renaissance to today’s society. Many historians argue whether it was the beginning of the modern world.

[11/06/2012 14:04:00] Kiers: I like the idea of subtracting the colour / image parts to play with the meaning of the picture – its interesting that the renaissance pics had the faces removed, but hte clothes remained, but the football pics was the reverse

[11/06/2012 14:04:22] Katrine Granholm: I like Digital Renaissance as the creative springboard. But I think the comparison with the original renaissance and the digital renaissance could (or should) be more evident in the final work

[11/06/2012 14:04:28] Eduardo Silva: I like the fact that sometimes we need to go back to the passed to understand the futures, it makes a lot of sence

[11/06/2012 14:04:31] Kiers: There is alot of status meaning in medieval clothing

[11/06/2012 14:04:42] Katrine Granholm: One idea could be to think about renaissance portraits and their relationship to avatar and Facebook profile pictures.

[11/06/2012 14:04:44] sneja_d: When I hear the word of Renaissance, immediately the following comes to my mind:the ‘liberation’ of the body,the artist’s position/ recognitation (he signs his works), art designed to celebrate and impress come to my mind. This may be combined with today’s situation of the body cult in advertising

[11/06/2012 14:05:28] ben james (jotta): i do as well. i think it’s a great idea. i worked with a photgrapher at the Royal College a few months back and we were discussing Vermeer and how the changes painters such as him were trying to document at the time – a period of massive discovery – and the parallels to now. but unlike justin – we just spoke about it but didn’t actually do anything!

[11/06/2012 14:06:10] Eduardo Silva: I think the Glasgow experiment is very interesting, substracting the calours to cupute the power of the image

[11/06/2012 14:06:18] Kiers: I suppose its important to remember that the whole world isnt europe – the renaissance is something that is important to us, but in asia there are different cultural events just as important in global cultural history

[11/06/2012 14:06:34] sneja_d: I like your experiments with the QR codes where you removed half of the image and created a QR code from it. Not only because of the juxtaposition of real and digital (which is an interesting idea) but also because QR codes (although I like the graphic itself) never really make me curious to find out what is hidden behind…. unless like in your example one part of the image reveals the atmosphere and creates an incitation to go further

[11/06/2012 14:07:01] Katrine Granholm: The renaissance pictures that Justin modified in the beginning and the quote from Jerry Brotton also reminded me of this amazing (and quite amusing project by artist Nina Katchadourian http://www.ninakatchadourian.com/photography/sa-flemish.php

[11/06/2012 14:07:10] Eduardo Silva: colours can somtime distract from the meaning of the image, as on the very begigning of the experiments.

[11/06/2012 14:07:23] Kiers: yep the QR codes is a great idea – the visible meaning of the picture becomes the hidden meaning you need to dig for..

[11/06/2012 14:07:33] sneja_d: I also like your idea of flipping the real and the digital, the digital manifested in the finished artwork and the original image existing somewhere within the internet is interesting.

[11/06/2012 14:08:12] ben james (jotta): on pure aesthetics – i love the last gradient image

[11/06/2012 14:08:13] Eduardo Silva: It would be very interesting just to be able to roll over the QR code and get a bit of information about it?

[11/06/2012 14:08:20] Jonathan Kearney: (interestign side point on QR codes – one student last year found that you can actually add images to the QR code itself and it will still work – I can’t remember the percentage but it was something like 15% – so as long as 85% of the QR code was still there it could still be scanned)

[11/06/2012 14:08:23] Kiers: me too – nice gradient

[11/06/2012 14:08:28] Katrine Granholm: I liked the QR codes but had problems fitting them into the overall idea about digital renaissance – I just think the overall concept is so great that it should be more evident to the viewer

[11/06/2012 14:08:45] sneja_d: interesting Jonathan! [11/06/2012 14:08:57] Katrine Granholm: you can change 30% of a qr code – I’ve used it for several ads

[11/06/2012 14:09:29] sneja_d: and what was the feedback?

[11/06/2012 14:09:33] sneja_d: with image? Sorry we may focus on the MPR

[11/06/2012 14:10:00] Jonathan Kearney: thanks Katrine – I was being cautious with only 15% 😉

[11/06/2012 14:11:06] Katrine Granholm: I recently did an ad for a housing comapany where the visual was a empty piece of land and when you placed the phone on it you could se a house on the land

[11/06/2012 14:11:17] Katrine Granholm: It worked well

[11/06/2012 14:11:22] Jonathan Kearney: remember if you have any links to other projects/artists/galleries/books etc put them here as well – Justin can look through these later

[11/06/2012 14:11:52] Katrine Granholm: I still would like to recommend the book Digital Folklore for Justin if you havent gotten hold of it already

[11/06/2012 14:12:03] Katrine Granholm: and Clay Shirky’s talk regarding the 5 great media revolutions seems very relevant. I can’t remember if this was the one that Jonathan posted some time ago. http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_cellphones_twitter_facebook_can_make_history.html
There’s more about this in his book Here comes everybody.

[11/06/2012 14:12:29] Eduardo Silva: I find very interesting the use of the gradients and how colours can influence what artists create, I have actually done a lot of research and experiments on how colours can influence ideas

[11/06/2012 14:12:41] Katrine Granholm: also the Nina Katchadourian link is great 😉

[11/06/2012 14:13:49] Katrine Granholm: Oh and some great GIF inspiration http://iwdrm.tumblr.com/

[11/06/2012 14:14:07] Jonathan Kearney: so someone earlier mentioned about a world perspective not just focusing on Europe – but do you think Justin is doing that with reading around the idea of Global Renaissance?

[11/06/2012 14:14:28] Jonathan Kearney: and is that enough? do his experiments have a global feel yet – or should they?

[11/06/2012 14:15:05] Katrine Granholm: that depends on what a global feel is

[11/06/2012 14:15:08] Kiers: I mentioned that because of the idea that everything began with one event – a cultural big-bang – but in different parts of the world it was happening at different times

[11/06/2012 14:15:17] ben james (jotta): but if the project is about the european centric renaissance period does the project need to focus outside of that?

[11/06/2012 14:15:52] ben james (jotta): is it referencing a specific time and place – and is there anything wrong with that?

[11/06/2012 14:16:23] Katrine Granholm: I agree with James

[11/06/2012 14:16:29] Eduardo Silva: It woul be interesting to to do the same experiment with videos from the passed to see what it would look like

[11/06/2012 14:16:30] Katrine Granholm: sorry ben 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:16:36] Kiers: no doubt that the visual language of the renaissance is something that most people will immediately connect with and understand

[11/06/2012 14:17:03] sneja_d: Maybe global can be related to standards … standards or klischees

[11/06/2012 14:17:20] Katrine Granholm: Or to put the themes of the renaissance in a comtemporary context

[11/06/2012 14:17:46] Katrine Granholm: that’s why I suggested thinking about portraits vs. avatars

[11/06/2012 14:17:55] Jonathan Kearney: contemporary context – if the comparrison is with the recent internet revolution – then it is global – even though only 30% of the world have used the internet – it is spreading fast

[11/06/2012 14:18:09] Katrine Granholm: true

[11/06/2012 14:18:12] Kiers: i really like that idea Kathrine

[11/06/2012 14:18:25] Katrine Granholm: 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:18:25] sneja_d: yes interestin katrine¨

[11/06/2012 14:18:34] Kiers: comparing avatars and portraits – one created by an artist, the other by a computer or by yourself

[11/06/2012 14:19:00] Katrine Granholm: I’m sure there are many themes in renaissance paintings that would be great to look at also

[11/06/2012 14:19:13] Eduardo Silva: I like that Kiers, it wold also be good to see some movement and sound?

[11/06/2012 14:19:49] sneja_d: what about bodies in advertising I mentioned before … ?

[11/06/2012 14:20:09] Kiers: yes, actually for some reason I was thinking there would be a strong influence of the interactive in this research

[11/06/2012 14:20:11] Jonathan Kearney: ok 3 minutes left – time goes quickly!! – any other thoughts or even questions you want to leave for future discussion?

[11/06/2012 14:20:20] ben james (jotta): justin – rangers or celtic!

[11/06/2012 14:20:22] ben james (jotta): 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:20:24] Kiers: haha

[11/06/2012 14:20:32] Kiers: whoever plays in white..

[11/06/2012 14:20:35] justinlogue89: Celtic forever and always! 😎

[11/06/2012 14:20:36] Kiers: (less photoshop)

[11/06/2012 14:21:11] sneja_d: This makes me think of the Emirates 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:21:24] ben james (jotta): 🙂 jelly and ice cream

[11/06/2012 14:21:42] Katrine Granholm: As I said before Digital Renaissance is an amzing springboard – and there are so many ways to go with it

[11/06/2012 14:21:59] justinlogue89: Hahah Ben 😉

[11/06/2012 14:22:16] Katrine Granholm: so it’s important that the point doesn’t get lost 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:23:06] Jonathan Kearney: the Renaissance is such a huge subject – I wonder if a way of narrowing this is to look at ‘the self’ and maybe this is via portraits or the body as has been suggested already – the idea of the self – or the ‘privatised self’ is a strong result from the Renaissance and how is this challeneged now, or is it promoted even more?

[11/06/2012 14:23:57] Katrine Granholm: I like it

[11/06/2012 14:24:30] sneja_d: yes …’privatised self’ may have a link to QR codes

[11/06/2012 14:24:51] Kiers: how were the renaissance concepts of value expressed through the body image vs how we expres these values now

[11/06/2012 14:25:41] Kiers: the hidden meanings of a renaissance / modern image hidden in a QR code

[11/06/2012 14:25:43] Eduardo Silva: Thats a great way to see it Kiers, I think it would help the conparison

[11/06/2012 14:25:46] sneja_d: the subject was identified on paintings (often commissioned) …

[11/06/2012 14:25:50] Jonathan Kearney: maybe I’m unrealistic but I hope that the tools we have now actaully open up more collaborative and community opportunities and less priority to the self

[11/06/2012 14:26:06] sneja_d: ok ok

[11/06/2012 14:26:08] sneja_d: 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:26:23] Jonathan Kearney: anyway – lots of good comments, thanks everyone

[11/06/2012 14:26:25] Kiers: perhaps communities controlled by corporations..

[11/06/2012 14:26:43] Kiers: eek 😉

[11/06/2012 14:27:01] Jonathan Kearney: Justin you should copy and paste this bit later and respond to it all on your blog

[11/06/2012 14:27:13] ben james (jotta): the periods are both self-propogating. the spread of the ideas within the movements are a core part of the movements themselves

[11/06/2012 14:27:19] justinlogue89: yeap will do 🙂

[11/06/2012 14:27:25] ben james (jotta): (going back to the gloabl vs european thing)

[11/06/2012 14:27:45] Jonathan Kearney: it will probably feel like a tsunami of thoughts and opinions at first but all of you take your time looking through the comments and it will be very useful

[11/06/2012 14:28:01] sneja_d: yes I am sure

[11/06/2012 14:28:21] Kiers: alot of the ideas arent obvious tho – e.g an increase in the use of blue reflects how much more advanced technology was becoming at the time..

Gif image experiment

Been messing about with gifs on dreamweaver and how they will look in a browser. I’ve made these images as an experiment and they work fine, obviously need to align them better when using real images.

Project development, body and beauty in the 21st century

I have been looking through a book I got a few years back called “1001 paintings to see before you die” by Stephen Farthing. I have been looking for inspiration on styes and aesthetics of works which I can incorporate into my own, as well as looking for themes and concepts which have been present in artworks throughout history.

To go back to my first ideas about studying the body, this themes has stood out the most for me whilst doing this. The nude and the human body have been depicted in art for various reasons ranging from anatomical study, the depiction of beauty or simple voyeurism. I am interested in looking at this through the eyes of the 21st century and investigating the change in these concepts from history to the modern era. I found these images below which I intend to be my starting point for this:

Titian – Venus of Urbino

Ingeres – Odalisque with Slave

Ingres – Die Badende von Valpincon

Carracci – Venus with a Satyr and Cupids

Website

Thinking about buying somre web hosting at some point over the next few days to hold a website – justinlogue.co.uk

I have been playing around with some designs and trying to keep it really simply and quite visual. I’m quite glad to have started this, I feel like this has been hanging over me for a while so its good to get it off the ground. Here’s a screenshot of something I built today, my knowledge of HTML and CSS is pretty shit so theres the added bonus of learning this.

This page will function as the home page and I intend to have a portfolio section in it. With my previous post talking about physical and digital works, I would quite like to set up subdomains to house on going projects which can be accessed through the QR codes which I am going to put in images. They will be on subdomains like http://www.project1.justinlogue.co.uk and http://www.project2.justinlogue.co.uk, keeping the main site seperate from the subdomains.

Still a bit to go and a lot of coding to pick up but here’s what I have just now.

Matisse

Love this painting

Possible project visualisation

Quite like the duality of a project like this. Both outcomes, physical and virtual, could feed off of each other and create a good amount of development as they progress. Below I’ve thrown together a quick visualisation showing a physical work and its counterpart on the net. For the site I am not fussed about having a strict structure and would quite like for things to be dotted about.

In terms of the physical work, these are only representation and would ideally like to create images with alot of elements involving appropriated images, the gradients I have been looking at and some digital painting.